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welcome to the skeptic zone

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the podcast from australia for science

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and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 636

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for the 20th of december 2020

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richard saunders here with you from

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sydney australia

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overcast very muggy very humid over the

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last week

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exceptionally humid up to 80 90 percent

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oh the sort of weather i just love

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coming up on this week's episode of the

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skeptic zone we have a brief

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chat with susan gobick from growth

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skepticism on wikipedia

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what's been going on over there

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guerrilla skepticism now that the

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vaccine is being rolled out for covert

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and we also discuss a bent spoon winner

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the former tv famous celebrity

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chef whatever you want to call him

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conspiracy theorist pete evans

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what he's been up to now

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in the last few days we discovered

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there's a fresh outbreak of covert 19 in

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and while all hands should be on deck

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to get on top of this outbreak

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people like pete evans are doing

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everything they can it seems

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to throw a spanner in the works all that

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and more with susan gerber coming up at

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the top of the show

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following that we go once again into the

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treasure trove that is trove the online

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resource of digitized newspapers and so

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and we look for reports about

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yuri gellar from his heyday

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from the early 1970s yes yuri gellar was

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making news here in australia

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and around the world in the early 1970s

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let's uh let's have a look

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to see what the papers were reporting at

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then it's logical fallacies with

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michelle bickersma

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this week michelle looks at ipsec

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dixit ipse dixit

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sounds interesting stay tuned for that

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then we round off the show with the

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latest news update

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from australian skeptics written and

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compiled

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by tim mendem i wonder if tim

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mendom has ever been to canada i'll have

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to ask him

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now before we get stuck into the show

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it's been my habit over the last six

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eight months to do long walks every week

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and it's doing me the world of good i

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i know it's hard depending on where you

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are in the world well winter is here

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if you're in the northern hemisphere and

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the various lockdowns and everywhere but

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and there's uh for me personally it's my

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way to clear my mind

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and then refill it with lots of

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interesting podcasts from my fellow

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podcasters all around the world

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from the various skeptical and other

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podcasts i love to listen to

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and it's great also to listen to audio

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books i'm listening to a very

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at the moment by stephen pinker but

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do all that it's time for me to run

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and maybe have some of my special toast

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cooked bread but i like to put on a bit

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of my special peanut butter which is

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it's just standard uh peanut butter from

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the supermarket but i mix it up with a

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i think we need to think

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here's susan gerbic

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joining me now on the line for her

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regular update from gorilla skepticism

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on wikipedia

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it's none other than susan gobeck hello

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hi richard it's so great to talk to you

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and so great to talk to

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the skeptic zone at people again now i

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you were on the show not so long ago but

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now because i noticed you post something

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in relation to wikipedia and vaccination

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the coronavirus and we have done a few

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dealing with coronavirus but for the

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uh vaccinations we wrote the wikipedia

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associate with vaccinations but her

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message

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and the support she's given is is

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something we should be applauding and i

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think i think that kind of thing is

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is great and when we hear heartwarming

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stories like that

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i i feel better i think that we're going

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to get through this i'm in california

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which has 28 28 would be amazing

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that would be you know we're getting 28

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a minute here

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um new cases if not more and it's

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frightening

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where i live which is nowhere near la or

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san diego

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we're doing our best everybody here in

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town pretty much is masked

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and um you know we're staying as safe as

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we possibly can and staying home

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guerrilla skepticism on wikipedia always

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doing important work and i think

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there's going to be a lot of work in the

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near future because the anti-vaxxers are

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just getting into their stride because

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of this new vaccine being rolled out

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they must be

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apoplectic you know it's it's like i

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keep thinking it's a

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tsunami it's a tsunami of misinformation

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that's going to be coming at us and we

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have to be ready and

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take it on and the gsow project only has

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as many people as it has

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if people can help support us by joining

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that'd be great if they could

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contact us with suggestions that is

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helpful

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too as well and you know

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i think we're gonna get through this

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it's gonna happen it is frightening but

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i think together we're gonna be all

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right i think so

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and a big shout out to all the

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australians who are part of guerrilla

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skepticism

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on wikipedia i know you've got a lot of

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editors richard you know i'd like to

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take a minute really quick and just

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thank you for all the work that you've

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done and all the support you've given us

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over the years i know it's

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um i say it often how how important the

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skeptic zone and the skeptic zone

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listeners are

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to making guerrilla skepticism on

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wikipedia

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a you know a force to be reckoned with

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the powerhouse that it is and

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you know with your your announcements

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that you're doing like right now it is

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such a help to us

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and we have a large amount of people who

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join gsow

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that have heard about us from the

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skeptic zone and they're not all

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australians they're people who come to

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us from

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all around the world who are your

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listeners and who say

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you know i really want to help out and i

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just got one a few minutes ago i've got

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to

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that she's heard

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about jsow on the skeptic zone and she

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really wants to

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help out and you know i know you

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probably don't hear it as much as you

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should but it's you're an important part

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of our community

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and a very important part of the success

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that we're having in the community not

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just gsow but in a lot of different ways

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and i want to thank you

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wow that's very kind of you to say so

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that means an awful lot

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but uh let's uh continue we've got 2021

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coming down on us like a ton of bricks

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and i'm sure gsow

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will be more important than ever but for

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now susan goodback and you better get

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ready because it's almost time for your

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trivia and and let me make it official

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and say that

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five five five is going to eventually

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come up on

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you know i know we're getting close

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we've had a couple and then we had last

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week i think there was one and

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you know i i'm going to keep calling 555

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as the rules because it's just as likely

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it's going to be 555 as it's going to be

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any other random numbers that are

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that are out there except when you're

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rolling a three-sided dice or something

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like die or something for those people

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who don't know if you listen after the

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music often we have

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an easter egg of a dice game and susan

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always wants five to come up

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susan all i can say is please listen at

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but but you know what richard i'm

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getting to a point where i'm thinking

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you're gonna just do something to

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mess with me well let me let me tell you

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something quite honestly every time i

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roll the die

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i always say honestly what it comes up i

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never

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thought okay okay i i trust you all

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right then

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once again susan thank you very much

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[Music]

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the earth is only 6 000 years old that's

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what answers in genesis

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and the creation museum say and how can

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a museum

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be wrong isn't dr oz just

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wonderful i loved today's episode it

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didn't talk down to his adoring audience

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of women

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at all science has proved that the

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subatomic

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quantum realm is as real as it is

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counter-intuitive and bizarre

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therefore i can use it to support

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quantum healing and quantum

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consciousness

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after all how can journals like aquarius

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metaphysics be wrong

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evolution is just a theory after all if

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we came from monkeys then why are there

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still monkeys

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we all have friends and family who

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believe these things and much more

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well if you're a rational thinker who is

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tired of arguing on social media and

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never getting anywhere

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we have a solution for you join the

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and we will teach you how to add

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reliable scientific and skeptical

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information

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to the world's number one source of

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information wikipedia

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we write new articles and improve

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existing ones we remove pseudoscience

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paranormal and ultimate claims

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substituting the actual facts

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and we operate in many languages we've

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already reached

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tens of millions of people searching for

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information

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but as you can imagine we can never do

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enough so please

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join us all you need is a pc and a

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desire to help educate the planet

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in fact you'll be educating the world

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while you sleep contact us

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at gsow team gmail.com

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[Music]

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now it's time once again to dive into

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the treasure trove

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that is trove the online resource from

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the australian government in the

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national library of australia

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magazines periodicals clippings

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journals newspapers gazettes

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everything you could imagine

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collected over many years now a couple

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of weeks ago on the skeptic zone i

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told the story more or less of how i

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became a skeptic

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and in the telling of that i remarked

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that

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in the 1970s the early 1970s when i was

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just a

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young boy my brother and i were

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convinced that yuri gela could bend

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spoons

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over the television because that's what

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we were told and when you're a little

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kid that's what you believe

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which got me thinking i wonder what

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references i can find

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to that period in history and yuri gala

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so with the help of trove and my own

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independent research at the state

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library of new south wales

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i've amassed quite a collection an

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interesting collection of articles from

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newspapers around that time

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and i'd like to share a few with you

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the earliest one of the earliest

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references i have to yuri gela in

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australian press comes from the sydney

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morning herald

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on the 8th of december 1973 which ties

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in

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history

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the article is called yuri the mind

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bender in action

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from a staff correspondent in london it

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says and the accompanying

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picture is urigella with bent what

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appears to be a bent

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fork and other things not quite clear

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with the caption urigella holds metal

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objects

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he has bent it takes

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quite something to divert the attention

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of the british people

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away from the fuel crisis but yuri

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gellar

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the amazing 26 year old israeli metal

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bender

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managed to upstage the petrol rationing

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books

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and miners summit talks during his barn

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storming visit to london

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if newspaper reports are to be believed

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yuri has forks and spoons bending by the

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drawful

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over the country not to mention front

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door

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keys snapping and broken clocks

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suddenly starting to tick again his

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claims received greater

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credence after a spectacular performance

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on bbc's

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dimbleby talking where he

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mystified everybody by coaxing bbc

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canteen

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forks and spoons to bend at right angles

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by holding them and stroking them gently

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now i'll make a

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comment here that uh i've got a copy of

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that appearance on

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uh dimbleby talks and when you know the

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trick of spoon bending and you see

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somebody else do it yuri gala or anybody

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else do it

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it's it's quite something because you

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can think to yourself oh he's doing it

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that way oh he's using that technique oh

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there's the

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the the gimmick oh i see what he's doing

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it

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i'll continue he also duplicated a

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picture of a sailing boat

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drawn previously by a television

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employee

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and sealed inside an envelope magical

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stuff

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and great fun but he claims he is

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genuine

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moreover some reputable scientists in

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both britain and the united states

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are willing to suspend disbelief

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while his feats are thoroughly

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investigated

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last year yuri underwent controlled

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tests at the stanford

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research institute in california where

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he

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reproduced seven drawings made without

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his prior knowledge

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and predicted correctly how a dice would

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fall

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eight times in a row

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and i'll make another comment here that

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if

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you get your hands on a copy of the

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truth about yuri geller by james randy

570
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:32,240
then his uh his antics at the stanford

571
00:21:36,630 --> 00:21:33,120
research

572
00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:36,640
institute in california are

573
00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:40,159
less than impressive i'll continue

574
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:43,039
screwdrivers which he claimed he snapped

575
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:43,440
by

576
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:46,480
mental concentration in philadelphia

577
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:49,440
are now being examined by the metallurgy

578
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:51,919
department of cambridge university

579
00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:54,320
dr john chilton of the department has

580
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:56,000
examined the screwdrivers with a

581
00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:57,520
jeweler's microscope

582
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:00,559
and has found no sign of cutting burning

583
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:03,600
or the use of acid there is no normal

584
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:04,480
explanation

585
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:07,600
no trickery and another break and the

586
00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:09,360
comment from me

587
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:11,919
that geller would often use the classic

588
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:12,799
uh

589
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:16,240
straw man or red herring of saying

590
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:18,720
acid there's no acid on my fingers or

591
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:20,159
things like that

592
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:23,120
or of course there was never any

593
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:24,640
question of acid on his fingers or

594
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:27,280
anywhere else we read on

595
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:29,120
the screwdrivers were sent to cambridge

596
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:31,600
by an international group of scientists

597
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:35,120
whose convener is dr edward baston

598
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:38,640
of king's college london the cambridge

599
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:41,919
metallurgists now plan future tests

600
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:45,120
on the tempered steel screwdrivers

601
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but while some scientists are prepared

602
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:48,720
to

603
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:51,360
reserve judgment two of the world's best

604
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:52,559
known magicians have

605
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:55,679
poured professional scorn on yuri's

606
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:56,640
feats

607
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:59,679
in london ali bongo a stage magician

608
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:00,400
said

609
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:03,200
yuri is just a skilled illusionist this

610
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:05,360
brought angry denials from yuri

611
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:07,919
if there is any magician who thinks he

612
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:08,400
can

613
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:12,080
laboratory

614
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:15,039
as i have done the magicians are jealous

615
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:16,480
he says

616
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:20,480
in america another magician james randy

617
00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:23,679
has duplicated under supervision all

618
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:26,960
of gellar's tricks and says scientists

619
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:28,960
are the easiest people to fool

620
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:31,360
gela knows how they think and this makes

621
00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:32,480
it all the more

622
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:35,840
easier for him the journal new scientist

623
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:37,760
taking a careful but

624
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:40,159
not altogether negative view of geller's

625
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:40,880
claims

626
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:43,200
is ready to carry out its own tests on

627
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:44,880
his powers

628
00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:47,039
a committee including a physicist a

629
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:48,880
biologist a research

630
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:51,440
psychologist a journalist and a

631
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:52,960
professional magician

632
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:55,840
has been appointed to supervise the

633
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:56,799
tests

634
00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:59,760
but so far geller has not said whether

635
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:01,600
he will cooperate

636
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:04,960
the new scientist believes that

637
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:07,520
a satisfactory demonstration in an

638
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:08,640
independent

639
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:11,279
critical group in britain could serve to

640
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:14,159
accelerate para psychological research

641
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:16,880
by confirming stanford's controversial

642
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:18,320
findings

643
00:24:25,310 --> 00:24:21,520
meanwhile gaelic continues to

644
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:25,320
startle and amuse he performed

645
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:28,320
incessantly during his british visit

646
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:30,640
bending spoons and forks when they were

647
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:32,559
presented to him

648
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:35,279
a journalist from the guardian was

649
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:36,559
knocked off balance

650
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:39,760
when he made her front door key curl up

651
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:43,120
in the palm of her hand a popular sunday

652
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:43,919
paper

653
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:46,640
asked its millions of readers to

654
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:47,679
concentrate

655
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:50,880
over their sunday dinners and watch

656
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:54,080
yuri crumple their cutlery by

657
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:01,590
the newspaper's switchboard was jammed

658
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:03,360
by frantic housewives

659
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:05,679
swearing they'd seen forks and spoons

660
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:07,600
turn 45 degrees

661
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:11,600
then snap in half

662
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:14,960
a comment from me oh i wonder if this

663
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:17,039
was the origin of this

664
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:18,960
yuri gala can bend spoons over the

665
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:21,039
television myth hmm

666
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:24,960
we read on yuri formerly a male model

667
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,480
has an engaging manner he first noticed

668
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:30,799
his telepathic abilities

669
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:33,919
he says as a two-year-old

670
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:36,080
when he found he could communicate with

671
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:37,360
his mother without

672
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:40,480
uttering a word by the age of seven he

673
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:40,799
was

674
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:43,679
merely bending metal later when he

675
00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:45,360
entered the israeli army

676
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:47,679
he switched off there are some times and

677
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:49,279
places he believes

678
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:52,240
where metal bending is not appropriate

679
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:55,200
he returned to his mind bending during a

680
00:26:01,510 --> 00:25:57,200
cruise around the greek isles

681
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:01,520
in the french vessel renee sanri

682
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:04,559
when to the captain's dismay he says

683
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,799
he concentrated so hard he stopped the

684
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:08,159
ship's engines

685
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:11,600
his business manager mr yasha katz

686
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:14,640
said yuri is also good at stopping cable

687
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:16,960
cars and escalators

688
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:20,080
and can bend massive bars of steel

689
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:23,120
so far he hasn't tried to hijack a jumbo

690
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:24,559
jet

691
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:27,600
that says yuri is probably possible but

692
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:30,080
it would take about six hours of intense

693
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:31,440
concentration

694
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:34,240
and the outcome might not be very nice

695
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:35,919
now i need to have another

696
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:39,600
comment in here once more i've seen this

697
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:40,799
before and i think it was on this

698
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:42,320
dimbleby program where somebody

699
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:44,799
presented yuri geller with a big

700
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:47,679
sturdy uh a steel bar and said could you

701
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:48,880
bend that

702
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:52,240
and get up to his credit as a showman

703
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:55,200
got out of it brilliantly i think

704
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,720
he said something along the lines of

705
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:58,320
well yes of course i can but it would

706
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:00,400
take a long time about half an hour

707
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:02,880
uh see me after the show and we'll try

708
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:04,400
or something like that

709
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:07,600
of course after the show who cares what

710
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:08,320
happens

711
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:10,080
gala probably didn't see the man at all

712
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:12,640
but it made it appear

713
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:15,840
gala could do it now let's read on now

714
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:16,320
people

715
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:20,000
are asking where does yuri go from here

716
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:22,640
if his ability is genuine it can be

717
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:23,760
harnessed to more

718
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:27,200
useful purposes surely than the mere

719
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:31,279
bending of a nation's cutlery

720
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:33,600
now the next reference i have here comes

721
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:35,679
from the canberra times

722
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:38,720
and this was published on the

723
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:42,720
6th of february 1974 so

724
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:46,080
not very long after the last article

725
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:49,200
tour cut over threats london

726
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:53,440
tuesday aap reuter mr yuri geller the

727
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:54,720
man who says he has

728
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:58,320
magical metal bending powers has

729
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:00,960
cancelled a session set for friday with

730
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:02,960
the new scientist magazine panel

731
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:05,440
which hoped to examine his claims

732
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:06,880
systematically

733
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:09,520
mr geller caught short a british tour on

734
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:10,640
sunday night

735
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:14,080
because of threats to his life

736
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:16,240
and was given a police escort to

737
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:17,600
heathrow airport

738
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:19,520
from where he left for a secret

739
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:21,039
destination

740
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:24,399
his home is in new york mr geller's

741
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:25,440
metal bending

742
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:28,960
act has baffled audiences around the

743
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:29,679
world

744
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:32,559
but some scientists have questioned his

745
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:34,000
performance

746
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:37,279
and that's the end of that article i

747
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:39,120
don't remember hearing about this

748
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:41,039
episode it seems

749
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:44,240
like a typical um publicity stunt though

750
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:46,880
or something you'd say to get publicity

751
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:50,320
notoriety maybe and that he

752
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,760
uh wasn't uh willing to be tested by the

753
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:55,440
panel is

754
00:29:02,630 --> 00:28:59,120
hardly surprising now the next related

755
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:02,640
article i find comes from 1975

756
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:06,720
on the 23rd of january

757
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:08,559
in a section that seems to be called

758
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:09,919
gang gang

759
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:12,640
and it says mystic bent a challenge to

760
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:13,520
scientists

761
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:15,039
and i can't say that this has been

762
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:17,919
credited to any writer in particular

763
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:21,200
it is time scientists quote turned the

764
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:24,000
searchlight in quote on claims of

765
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:25,120
clairvoyance

766
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:27,760
fork benders and their ilk according to

767
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:28,799
the editor of the

768
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:31,039
prestigious british-based international

769
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:32,080
science journal

770
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:35,279
nature dr david davies

771
00:29:38,950 --> 00:29:37,039
and there's an accompanying picture of

772
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:38,960
dr davies in the article

773
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:40,880
dr david davies in canberra for the

774
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,320
anses conference

775
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:44,640
published in nature last year a report

776
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:45,440
on

777
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:48,320
stanford university's research into some

778
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:51,200
of mr yuri gillis clairvoyant claims

779
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:54,559
which found evidence of apparent psychic

780
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:57,600
powers three thousand unbelievably dull

781
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,799
words

782
00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:00,720
in a belief that it was interesting to

783
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:02,240
science to get it out

784
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:05,679
and widely known the general public is

785
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:06,640
interested

786
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:09,120
in whether there is anything beyond the

787
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:10,720
straight line sciences

788
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:14,399
he said i am sure more people believe

789
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:17,440
geller than don't an editor's job

790
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:20,880
is to sit between two heaps i won't

791
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:22,000
comment on it

792
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:24,399
but a member of my staff had a key bent

793
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:25,520
by him

794
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:28,880
and didn't see him with anything

795
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:32,240
so he must have incredible technology

796
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:34,960
or science really ought to be getting

797
00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:36,000
onto it

798
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:38,720
and comment from me whoa what logical

799
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:40,720
fallacy is that

800
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:44,240
appeal to ignorance there's there's a

801
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:45,679
maybe it's another one

802
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:47,600
but isn't that interesting because he

803
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:50,000
couldn't understand how the trick work

804
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:53,760
he doesn't even take it into

805
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:55,120
consideration that it's

806
00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:58,240
a trick so he's looking for incredible

807
00:31:03,830 --> 00:30:59,519
technology

808
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:03,840
which is uh quite laughable really

809
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:06,559
or it must be real isn't that

810
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:07,600
interesting

811
00:31:13,509 --> 00:31:11,039
let's read on in an editorial

812
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:13,519
in last week's issue of nature he

813
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:14,240
challenged

814
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:17,519
scientists to take a more practical

815
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:18,080
interest

816
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:22,480
in such issues lest para science recede

817
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:23,600
further into the

818
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:26,880
mystics world and take with it much of

819
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:29,120
the public sympathy

820
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:31,600
not that he sees that as any major issue

821
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:34,080
of the immediate future

822
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,720
in that category he places the

823
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:38,159
controversy over

824
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:41,840
climate change hmm whether

825
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:44,080
for instance we will have another ice

826
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:45,200
age

827
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:47,039
and that between the scientists on

828
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:48,960
whether man should be studied

829
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:51,760
at the molecular level or as a whole

830
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:52,799
thing

831
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:55,200
dr davies is a former research assistant

832
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:56,640
at cambridge university

833
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:59,600
who worked during the 1960s studying the

834
00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:00,080
structure

835
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:02,159
of the ocean floors particularly the

836
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:04,480
indian ocean and the red sea

837
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:06,559
he moved from that to help scientists in

838
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:08,320
america working on methods of

839
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,120
detecting underground nuclear tests but

840
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:13,440
opted out on realizing that

841
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:15,519
scientists are on a piece of string

842
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:18,000
politicians make the decisions

843
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:21,360
now he edits nature publishing about one

844
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:24,000
third of the material submitted to him

845
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:26,720
including some which might at first

846
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:28,480
appear bizarre

847
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:31,279
some of the most bizarre ideas we have

848
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:32,000
used to

849
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:35,039
turn out to be right the world of nature

850
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,200
has a lot of surprises

851
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:39,440
one of the most bizarre was that rocks

852
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:40,960
on the bottom of the sea

853
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:44,080
acted like giant magnetic recorders

854
00:32:50,230 --> 00:32:47,679
but it revolutionized the earth sciences

855
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,240
and that again was from the canberra

856
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:52,799
times dated

857
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:57,679
dated the 23rd of january 1975.

858
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:00,799
now we have an interesting one dated

859
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:04,240
the 24th of february 1975

860
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:05,760
and this comes to us from the city

861
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:08,720
morning herald it's an advertising or a

862
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:12,159
very short uh announcement

863
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:14,080
and tiny writing at the top it says

864
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:16,080
extra appearance sunday march

865
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:19,840
9th at 8 15 and the big bold heading

866
00:33:23,909 --> 00:33:20,480
says

867
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:23,919
friday march 7 at 8 15 pm sydney town

868
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:24,640
hall

869
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:28,159
yuri gala mind bender expanding the

870
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:29,519
frontiers of man

871
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:32,960
and science important note

872
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:35,600
patrons attending yuri's appearances

873
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:37,600
wherever they are seated will witness

874
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:38,000
his

875
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:41,120
every movement through strategically

876
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:41,679
placed

877
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:46,399
tv receivers all around the hall

878
00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:49,039
this is closed circuit and will not be

879
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:51,279
relayed outside the hall

880
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:53,840
over the counting bookings open today

881
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:54,799
town hall

882
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:57,600
grace brothers chatswood roselands bondi

883
00:34:02,710 --> 00:33:58,240
junction

884
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:02,720
and djs note capacity house is expected

885
00:34:08,430 --> 00:34:04,159
so book now

886
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:08,440
for party concessions 20 or more phone

887
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:10,240
29835

888
00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:13,839
flying japan airlines and set airlines

889
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:17,839
wow how about that wouldn't you love

890
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:20,720
wouldn't you just love to go and be in

891
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:22,320
the audience for that performance all

892
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:23,280
those years ago

893
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:26,560
at sydney's town hall but let's

894
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:28,720
do one final one and this is from the

895
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:32,240
sydney morning herald 2nd of march 1975.

896
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:35,919
yuri's startling airport act

897
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:38,560
by grant thompson and there's an

898
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:40,000
accompanying picture

899
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:42,639
of a smiling irrigator with a appears to

900
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:44,800
be a bent key in his hand

901
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:47,440
uh yuri geller yesterday complete with

902
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:48,480
his bend key

903
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:51,280
yep the mind power of yuri geller made

904
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:54,879
my car key curl up like a leaf yesterday

905
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:57,280
while i held it and i'll just break here

906
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:58,960
to say that is a stock standard

907
00:35:01,349 --> 00:35:00,960
magician's trick when it comes to spoons

908
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:01,359
and

909
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:03,839
keys bending to make it appear that the

910
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:05,760
key or the spoon bends in your victim's

911
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:06,960
hand

912
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:09,440
let's read this article the thickest

913
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:12,000
thing i have ever bent is a crowbar

914
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:14,160
mr geller said after his arrival at

915
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:15,280
sydney airport

916
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,920
from tokyo to begin a lecture tour of

917
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:18,960
australia

918
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:20,960
i don't feel anything strange when i try

919
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:22,560
to bend a metal object

920
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:26,800
i just think bend bend i am not unique

921
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:28,560
i think many other people have similar

922
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:30,320
powers but perhaps

923
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:33,280
i'm stronger than anyone else my ben

924
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:34,000
kaki

925
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:36,560
is a souvenir of a stunt that is mere

926
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:38,640
child's play for the psychokinetic

927
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:39,839
abilities

928
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:43,440
of mr geller simply by stroking the top

929
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:44,400
of the key

930
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:47,440
with his index finger while i held it in

931
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:49,599
the presence of about 30 witnesses

932
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:52,320
he made the key start to curl within

933
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:53,440
seconds

934
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:57,119
for about 10 minutes after he touched it

935
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,240
the key slowly continued to bend i am

936
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:02,160
being studied at several universities

937
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:03,520
and institutions

938
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:06,000
including university of london and a

939
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:08,000
laboratory run by the american defense

940
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:08,880
department

941
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:12,000
mr geller said there have been times

942
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:14,560
when i have apparently erased tapes on a

943
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:15,520
computer

944
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:18,320
in a shielded room strange things happen

945
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:19,839
around me all the time

946
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:21,920
keys bend in people's pockets and

947
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:23,760
watches stop or start

948
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:25,520
some weeks ago i had dinner in a new

949
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,040
york restaurant with

950
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:29,520
salvador dali who has been painting bent

951
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:30,880
things for years

952
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,839
suddenly his spoon bent he looked at it

953
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:35,280
and without a word

954
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:37,520
put it into his pocket and took it home

955
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:38,480
to paint it

956
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:41,280
i bent then a von braun's gold wedding

957
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:42,320
ring so much

958
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:43,920
that he couldn't get it back on his

959
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:46,720
finger a former soldier in the israeli

960
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:48,560
army mr geller 27

961
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:51,200
decided to capitalize on his powers four

962
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:51,920
years ago

963
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:54,240
he became a show business celebrity with

964
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:56,320
the help of the london-based australian

965
00:36:59,060 --> 00:36:57,760
entrepreneur

966
00:37:02,870 --> 00:36:59,070
robert stigwood

967
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:02,880
[Music]

968
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:05,270
and there we'll leave it there are many

969
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:07,760
many as you can imagine many more

970
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:10,320
newspaper clippings and articles from

971
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:12,079
here in australia and around the world

972
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:12,560
with

973
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:17,280
yuri geller and for a time in the 1970s

974
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:18,480
73 74

975
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:22,800
75 he was certainly

976
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:26,480
noteworthy and reported upon and with

977
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:28,880
largely uncritical reporting as we've

978
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:30,000
just heard over the

979
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:33,680
last few segments is it any wonder that

980
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:35,119
small boys

981
00:37:40,940 --> 00:37:38,079
would hide cutlery for fear that yuri

982
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:40,950
geller would bend them over the tv

983
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:43,200
[Music]

984
00:37:46,870 --> 00:37:45,200
and you can read most of those articles

985
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:46,880
some i have collected from elsewhere but

986
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:48,800
most those articles for yourself

987
00:37:56,140 --> 00:37:52,960
by visiting trove trove.nla.gov dot ayu

988
00:38:02,829 --> 00:37:56,150
and diving into that treasure trove

989
00:38:02,829 --> 00:38:02,839
[Music]

990
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:05,420
indeed

991
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:13,109
hi my name is joe thornley and i'd like

992
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:14,560
you to join my co

993
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:16,960
um i'd like you to listen to my podcast

994
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:18,400
about cults

995
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:20,720
called zealot it's available pretty much

996
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:22,720
anywhere you find podcasts with further

997
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:25,520
reading on the zealot facebook page

998
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:27,680
each episode a guest joins me to talk

999
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:29,520
about a specific cult where we answer

1000
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:30,640
the big questions

1001
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:38,700
and does anyone think they're jesus

1002
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:46,790
pop over to my compound and have a

1003
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:49,040
listen i've just mixed up a fresh batch

1004
00:38:52,480 --> 00:39:03,770
oh sell it

1005
00:39:15,950 --> 00:39:14,390
[Music]

1006
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:15,960
logical fallacies

1007
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:19,440
[Music]

1008
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:22,240
what are logical fallacies and why is it

1009
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:24,079
important that critical thinkers should

1010
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:26,720
know about them

1011
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:29,040
a logical fallacy is an error we can

1012
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:30,720
make in reasoning

1013
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:32,640
but it usually crops up when we are

1014
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:39,109
some people might even knowingly use

1015
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:41,440
them to try and score cheap points in an

1016
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:42,320
argument

1017
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:45,599
due to intellectual laziness

1018
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:48,160
they are traps we can fall into but if

1019
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:50,000
we know what to look out for

1020
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:52,079
we can spot them when they occur and

1021
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:56,640
stop ourselves from using them

1022
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:00,640
this time we'll look at ipsei dixit

1023
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:04,400
also known as it simply is

1024
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:07,040
this is when an opinion is given as if

1025
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:07,839
it were

1026
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:11,119
an undisputed fact without any need for

1027
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:12,880
supporting evidence

1028
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:15,680
this fallacy occurs when someone just

1029
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:17,119
assumes something is

1030
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:20,160
true or real and therefore

1031
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:23,040
cannot see the need to offer any proof

1032
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:24,079
to back up their

1033
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:28,000
point i went to see the doctor about my

1034
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:29,280
sore neck

1035
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:32,319
but a week later i'm still in pain i

1036
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:33,920
should have known better

1037
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:35,520
doctors don't know what they're doing

1038
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:37,440
and are only paid chills for big

1039
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:40,720
pharma everyone knows that

1040
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:43,839
this unsupported point of view is all

1041
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:46,720
too common among certain alternative

1042
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:48,240
medicine devotees

1043
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:51,280
and conspiracy theorists alike

1044
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:53,760
to them it's true because it conforms

1045
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:55,760
with their worldview

1046
00:41:02,390 --> 00:40:58,880
the term everyone knows

1047
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:02,400
is a red flag that can indicate a poor

1048
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:06,000
argument it's true that the stars

1049
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:08,079
in the heavens can foretell the future

1050
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:10,560
and control our destiny

1051
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:13,760
why is it true it's true because

1052
00:41:19,109 --> 00:41:16,880
it just is true i mean it seems obvious

1053
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:19,119
to me and people have known about this

1054
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:22,160
for thousands of years saying

1055
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:25,440
something is true because it's true

1056
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:28,800
is a classic ipsei dixit

1057
00:41:35,309 --> 00:41:31,920
in this case the appeal to tradition is

1058
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:35,319
also used to seem to add weight to the

1059
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:37,200
non-argument

1060
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:40,400
i asked my medical professional why i

1061
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:43,200
should take the remedy she recommended

1062
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:45,119
she told me it was because she

1063
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:46,480
recommends it

1064
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:49,680
okay then i better take it

1065
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:52,880
as you can see in this example no real

1066
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:53,440
reason

1067
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:56,160
is given as to why the remedy should be

1068
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:57,760
taken

1069
00:42:02,069 --> 00:42:00,839
oh and there's another red flag in there

1070
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:02,079
too

1071
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:04,560
watch out for the term medical

1072
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:06,319
professional

1073
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:10,640
sadly these days that term can include

1074
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:13,839
homeopaths naturopaths and

1075
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:23,750
even if an argument seems to make sense

1076
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:24,079
or

1077
00:42:34,170 --> 00:42:30,880
to be

1078
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:34,180
a valid case or point of view

1079
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:37,040
[Music]

1080
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:39,119
knowing a logical fallacy when you hear

1081
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:40,079
one and

1082
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:42,880
even knowing its name is important when

1083
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:45,359
arguing your point of view

1084
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:48,800
however you may come across as arrogant

1085
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:51,200
and not get very far if you call it out

1086
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:52,000
by name

1087
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:54,319
to your opponent when you hear it being

1088
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:56,400
used

1089
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:58,960
if your opponent calls you out for using

1090
00:43:01,990 --> 00:42:59,760
one

1091
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:02,000
it's time to stop and think about how

1092
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,040
you are making your case

1093
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:07,200
use your knowledge of logical fallacies

1094
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:08,400
wisely

1095
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:11,119
and remember that even if your point of

1096
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:12,400
view is right

1097
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:14,720
and you know all the pitfalls in arguing

1098
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:16,000
your case

1099
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:18,480
it doesn't always mean you'll win on the

1100
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:19,680
day

1101
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:22,960
and as skeptics we must also remember

1102
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:30,309
i'm michelle bickersma from the vic

1103
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:47,670
skeptics cafe online from victoria

1104
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:50,000
australia

1105
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:51,680
no matter where you are in the world

1106
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:53,920
join us on monday the 21st of december

1107
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:54,800
2020

1108
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,400
for a live talk online recent highlights

1109
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:00,240
of australian paleontology

1110
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:06,710
there have been some significant

1111
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,000
developments in australian

1112
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:10,319
paleontology over the last years

1113
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:12,480
including important new finds

1114
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:15,839
of dinosaurs and other ancient beasts

1115
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:18,160
we'll take a brief review of some of the

1116
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:22,640
highlights of paleontology in australia

1117
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:24,560
paul willis is known to millions of

1118
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:26,319
australians via his longtime

1119
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:29,440
science reporting on abc tv

1120
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:31,760
more recently he was the director of the

1121
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:33,839
royal institution of australia

1122
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:36,079
and now heads up media engagement

1123
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:37,040
services

1124
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:41,839
in 2003 he was named skeptic of the year

1125
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:44,880
join us via zoom 8 pm for a chat

1126
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:47,440
and then the talk begins at 8 30 pm

1127
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:50,400
australian eastern daylight time

1128
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:53,520
that's 9 a.m on the 21st uk time

1129
00:45:02,390 --> 00:44:56,800
4 a.m on the 21st east coast usa time

1130
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:04,710
for more information and the zoom link

1131
00:45:19,070 --> 00:45:08,240
just head to www.facebook.com

1132
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:19,080
the skeptics cafe see you there

1133
00:45:33,870 --> 00:45:31,520
[Music]

1134
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:33,880
australian skeptics newsletter number

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113

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written and compiled or is it compiled

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and written by tim

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mendem and hello tim hi all it

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says this is the last newsletter for

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this

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year and what a year it has been it has

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told a lot about human nature like

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toilet paper is the commodity of choice

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for panicking consumers

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that some people have no problem

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claiming that 5g

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caused covert even though they don't

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believe covert exists

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that anti-vaxxers have been lying in

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wait for any opportunity to

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spread fear and that the vast bulk of

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australians and new zealanders are

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sensible

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rational unselfish and cooperative

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people when it comes to coping

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with a very trying situation

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we should be grateful that at least

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for most of us we live in such countries

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and have achieved

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such positive results well done all

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especially those who have taken a sober

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and honest approach to the pandemic so

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we wish you all the best for the coming

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festive

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slash holiday slash satinalia

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summer solstice season see you next year

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and stay skeptical read on

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tim and each of these little news items

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comes complete with a

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link so you can click and read the whole

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report for yourself and the first one

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says new zealanders on misinformation

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fascinating survey on kiwi attitudes

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some of the results replete with classic

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quote everyone's out of step except for

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me end quote

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the majority of new zealanders surveyed

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agreed that this

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information has the ability to greatly

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influence someone's opinion

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91 but far less 53 percent acknowledge

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that disinformation

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could influence them overall the results

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are worrisome

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another item says the potential harm of

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alternative medicine

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interviewed by a clinical psychologist

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with

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famous campaigner against

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pseudo-medicine at sauders

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who refers to it as so-called

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alternative medicine by its acronym and

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that is scam

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pseudoscientific treatments for

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addiction the same clinical

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psychologist writes about the empirical

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base for psychosocial

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and pharmacological treatments for

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addictions versus

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alternatives such as naturopathy energy

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medicine hypnosis animal therapy

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etc and a comment from me

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if you ever want to go down a rabbit

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hole just look up

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energy medicine talk about alice in

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wonderland

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the next item says what covert 19 could

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teach journalists about science

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excellent long article from an african

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publication

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that is virtually a primer for both

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journalists

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and the public on the pitfalls in

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reporting or just appreciating

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how science works when faced with

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misinformation bias and false balance

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social media influencer tactics

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and conspiracy theories while

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investigating how

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social media influences were responding

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to the pandemic

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a university of london researcher

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noticed

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that the techniques lifestyle gurus use

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to promote themselves

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were also being adopted by conspiracy

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theorists

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both influencers and conspiracy

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theorists could

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only thrive in a quote low

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trust society and quote she says quote

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there's no way these techniques would be

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nearly as effective

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if you didn't have a climate of distrust

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in authority figures and if people were

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not

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generally uncertain and fearful end

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quote

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not very flattering for influences but

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neither was the

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2018 bent spoon award

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from australian skeptics for quote a

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holistic health and fitness

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another article here isaac newton's

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attempts to unlock secret

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code of pyramids unpublished notes

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showing that newton's attempt to unlock

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the

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recently went up for auction at

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sotheby's

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three slightly fire damaged pages of

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scribblings

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on the egyptian pyramids which newton

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believed held the key

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to profound secrets were expected to

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fetch hundreds of thousands of pounds

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when

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online bidding closed and they did

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[Music]

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378 000

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pounds which is about 220

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000 per page and in australian dollars

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totaling up that's about 673

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almost 674 thousand australian dollars

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and i guess i could roughly say about

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600 000 us dollars

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and there are more reports for you to

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read also

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letting you or reminding you that the

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december 2020 issue of the skeptic

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magazine

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is out now if you haven't subscribed now

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is the time to do so

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the issue includes a major feature on

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good scientists going off the track

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and an in-depth review of judy

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wileyman's phd

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as mentioned last week on the skeptic

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zone and how she

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used it to give her auntie vax views

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credibility

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plus the usual panopy of interesting and

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the weird the worrisome the fun

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including a summary of skepticon and

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sadly we say goodbye to james the

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amazing randy

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upcoming events include skeptics cafe on

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the 21st of december

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with paleontologist associate professor

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dr paul willis what a fine fellow he is

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and links to sydney canberra gold coast

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and queensland skeptics

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and i can tell you that it looks like

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the next speaker for sydney skeptics in

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the pub in january

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which will be the first thursday in

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january

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is none other than skeptical

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investigator kenny biddle

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lots more to read the australian

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skeptics newsletter and you can

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subscribe and get that newsletter

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www.skeptics.com.edu

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with thanks to tim mendez

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone and on next week's show

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on the 27th the final episode of the

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skeptic zone for 2020

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i don't know michelle uh

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because mars luckily for me she's done

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a few more logical fallacies i've got uh

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stored up

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so i can play those over the next few

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weeks and

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we'll see maybe one of my wonderful

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i don't know if you can hear that but

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[Music]

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outside the skeptic's own studios the

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rainbow lorik heats are going

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bonkers bananas nuts

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i don't know what it is maybe somebody

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out there and the listening audience

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knows uh i think that this year

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especially over the last few months the

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number of rainbow lorikeets has

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increased dramatically and that

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noise you can hear is more or less

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constant from just before dawn

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until dusk which makes recording

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there are thousands upon thousands of

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these rainbow lorikeets they're

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beautiful birds i mean

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they're little parrots and they are

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rainbow coloured

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but boy do they like to talk to each

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other thank you to those people who send

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me parrots

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i mean who contribute to the skeptic own

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via patreon or paypal

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it's your contributions your generous

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contributions it means the show keeps

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going

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what's that now high flying crows now i

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think

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maybe i should just do the show in a

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tree one day and be done with it

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yes thank you to those people who do

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contribute it means the show keeps going

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and you get to listen to it

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and everybody else too for those of you

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about to enjoy christmas i wish you a

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merry christmas i do

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with a special thought to those people

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in those places in the world

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still experiencing lockdown and i just

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hope that

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uh the situation in in

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sydney here in sydney doesn't get any

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worse than it is right now

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with the growing increase of the virus

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at the moment

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but for this week with all the birds

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joining in this is richard saunders

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signing off

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oh don't forget to listen don't forget

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to listen after the music this time

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adrian and susan this is richard

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saunders signing off from sydney

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you've been listening to the skeptic

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zone podcast

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are not necessarily those of australian

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skeptics or

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well hello to the afterthoughts the

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people who listen after the music ends

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i'm here

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at the believe it or not the skeptic's

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own sort of informal christmas party i'm

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with maynard hi matt you may not you

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have not been on the show much this year

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now i have it mainly because i talk to

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people in person that's my big thing and

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you're

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not allowed to do that or else everyone

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will die yes

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yes it has been that sort of year one

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potential well normally

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normally you and i would do lots of

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interviews at conventions but of course

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we couldn't this year that's right

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um with you it was of course you

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couldn't go for me it was because of the

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incident at melbourne last year i wasn't

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allowed but uh with you

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you were doing it over zoom yes

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what me and jay novella got up to is no

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one's business let me say we won't be

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welcome in north melbourne for some time

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northcote and north carolina yeah hello

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00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:04,799
laura

1414
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:06,640
hi hi good to see you here at the

1415
00:57:12,069 --> 00:57:09,119
informal christmas party and we have

1416
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:12,079
um it's a six-sided diet this week folks

1417
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:13,760
and we're going to play the dice game

1418
00:57:17,589 --> 00:57:16,480
so you at home please uh consider what

1419
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:17,599
number you'd like to

1420
00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:20,720
to uh guess the dice will come up the

1421
00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:22,000
die will come up

1422
00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:24,640
what do you think laura i might go with

1423
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:25,599
five

1424
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:28,960
with one

1425
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:30,960
one i'm going to go with three all right

1426
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:32,960
here we go i'm rolling the die now it's

1427
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:34,880
a six sided die and

1428
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:38,640
it's a big one and it's oh

1429
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:41,680
it says on on the on the uh the side

1430
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:42,480
that's come up

1431
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:45,119
susan's number susan i believe that's

1432
00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:46,559
five that's five

1433
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:48,559
oh oh the actress from the partridge

1434
00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:49,599
family

1435
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:52,640
fantastic yes may not all right

1436
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:54,720
well that's one for you uh what's your

1437
00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:56,480
second guess i'm gonna go with five five

1438
00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:57,280
and maynard

1439
00:58:02,549 --> 00:57:59,119
i'll go with two this time i'm gonna go

1440
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:05,430
and it's come up and it says on the the

1441
00:58:11,109 --> 00:58:07,440
face of the diet says

1442
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:11,119
minus nine two could be two

1443
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:13,599
four i think it's five five oh that's

1444
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:15,119
right it's five

1445
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:18,240
hang on all right one more hmm this one

1446
00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:20,400
i'm going five again five may not uh

1447
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:22,079
i'll go with three this time i'm going

1448
00:58:28,390 --> 00:58:25,280
to go with 12. here we go yeah

1449
00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:28,400
all right ah

1450
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:31,520
and it's come up and it says

1451
00:58:37,589 --> 00:58:35,680
2.5 times 2 that's 5.

1452
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:37,599
richard you've been you've been playing

1453
00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:39,359
the jiggery pokery here i think it's

1454
00:58:43,030 --> 00:58:40,160
about time you

1455
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:43,040
came clean i better conclude folks this

1456
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:45,200
week arrived in the post

1457
00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:49,200
and a giant wouldn't die six-sided

1458
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:52,720
and i kid you not one side says five

1459
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:55,920
the next one says 14-9

1460
00:59:03,430 --> 00:59:00,400
the next one says 2.5 times 2

1461
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:03,440
the next one says what number

1462
00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:06,720
susan picked the other side says susan's

1463
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:08,079
number and finally

1464
00:59:11,750 --> 00:59:10,079
there's a v which is the roman numeral

1465
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:11,760
for five

1466
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:14,240
so where'd this come from let me guess

1467
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:15,359
someone called

1468
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:18,640
susan you'd think you'd think but it

1469
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:20,799
comes from canada well it comes

1470
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:22,480
everyone in canada is called susan how

1471
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:24,400
are you it comes from adrian prime

1472
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:26,480
minister's called susan that's right

1473
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:28,880
it comes from adrian hill in canada who

1474
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:30,240
listens to the skeptic zone for the

1475
00:59:35,270 --> 00:59:31,680
easter eggs

1476
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:35,280
just recently and what a wonderful funny

1477
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:37,440
completely unexpected surprise that was

1478
00:59:40,630 --> 00:59:39,440
so thank you very much and for all those

1479
00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:40,640
people who picked five

1480
00:59:44,549 --> 00:59:42,559
well done i think the only real winner

1481
00:59:47,610 --> 00:59:44,559
here is susan cheers everybody